I don't believe Sutter went there at the end wow too soon. Loo

I know, that'll receive negative blow back on both sides of the issue. It was ****ed up

can anyone PM me or post a spoilers review of what happened. I have no way to watch it.

By the way, I know what the scene you guys are talking about is.

It was talked about a lot before the show actually aired.

somebody refresh me.
I can't remember......

Sutter is a sicko.

That happened to me two weeks ago. One of the lawn care guys was weed-eating and cut the TWC cable...into my entire apartment building. So none of us had cable or internet for two days.

Sutter does not care one bit if he gets blowback. He will stick a middle finger up n say **** you. Don't watch our show if u can't handle it. That's why I like Sutter he doesn't give a ****.

Though, it's bullshit to add a political hot button topic to the show. This is suppose to be an escape, and not a soapbox for personal opinion like Sorkin and the Newsroom.

Never watched the show before. ......what the **** happened tthat's so ****ed up?

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a deranged kid in a catholic school uniform ( 10-12 years old) shot up a Catholic School with one of the MCs automatic weapons. Then showed parents and emergency workers grieving at the scene.

No, it's supposed to bd about whatever the creator if the show wants it to be about.

Here's a spoiler answer to your spoiler question.

Yes, and it is very uncreative to add a reference that has no need in the story to add "edge". It's bullshit, if I wanted to watch this type of theme I'd go to CNN or FoxNews.

I don't want to watch political grandstanding about second amendment rights/ gun control the day before 9/11. Very, very poor writing which ruined the episode for me.

I don't think it's meant to be a political grandstand, it's to be the big item that ends up killing the club this season... period.

Then why the Sandy Hook/Columbine likened imagery? Sutter could've gone several other routes in his writing to kill the club than that. Especially the day before the 9/11 attack

I could give a shit about the school shooting story. What I don't need to see is Otto being raped and then the disgusting shit stains on his drawers afterward. This is what he does to his own character in pursuit of a storyline nobody cares about.

I don't think it is out of bounds. The MC is responsible for alot of damage from their business, and from the get go this show has been about Jax's uneasiness with the gun trade. He seems to have gotten less uneasy as he was forced to stay in business, but Sutter is trying to put a line down that no one can continue to accept. It would be silly to go back to yet another ATF of IRA storyline to destroy or salvage the club (however he chooses to end it) without this kind of story.

He was clearly juxtaposing victim and criminal with the scene transitions from the kid's face to Jax's. Jax has repeatedly excused his decisions, including the one giving those same guns to Nero's guys, by telling himself it was just one deal done for the greater peace, and now he is going to have to become a real bad guy, worse than Clay perhaps, to keep the business going after this.

They even used the porn side business int his episode to illustrate that these guys still consider themselves not so bad, or the lesser of evils, but can they look past this knowledge? I think it sets up a pretty good wrap up to the show and two seasons to do it.

I still like this show alot, but i take it for what it is....Trashy, pulpy fun. Nothing more.

But honestly, im beginnning to hate nearly every character. I hope they all get what they deserve and die a brutal death. I cant think of one character to root for anymore? They are all truly despicable.

Nero / Jimmy Smits

Ok yea, maybe him......and Jax's kids.
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WHen your in organized crime, everyone is despicable. Im glad it out out when i did and didn't make it a "Career" like others i know. You have just one obligation and that is to make someone else have less worries, if that even makes sense.

say what you want, but for the club to let one of their guns into the hands of a school kid who did that, is ****ing club suicide. RIght now in the united states, there is no worse crime that can be done inside the U S OF A. After they find out, its EVERYONE coming down hard on the club. Could he have done it another way? sure, but this angle would put the most pressure on the club they could have imagined.

Also, Sutter has nothing to do with when the show airs. thats all up to FX/Fox. When SoA is done filming, FX puts out the schedule, its out of The producers hands.

At first when it happened, i was like, wow, i dont believe he went there, but a few days later, im like, of course he went there, i should have known better. Sutter has been around and seen it all, dudes gotten to hang out with alot of organized criminals for his shows. I know Happy in an interview said, before they started to work on SoA, Sutter was hanging out at the Hells Angeles ClubHouses in Oakland where happy is from.

‘SOA’ Creator Kurt Sutter Reacts To PTC Outrage Over Season Debut

UPDATE, 6:20 PM: Kurt Sutter responded this afternoon to those who have savaged his Sons of Anarchy season debut over its school shooting scene. That includes the Parents Television Council, which used the FX drama’s episode to once again demand that Washington allow consumers to buy networks a la carte. “Obviously there is some blowback today,” Sutter said in a webcast on his WTF web page. “The PTC — I would imagine these are not evil people, but they’re just not very intelligent or intuitive people. … The fact that these people want to be monitoring what my children watch is terrifying. He suggested the PTC’s “simplistic, dangerous view” is “perhaps influenced by certain religious groups and people with other agendas” which, “whenever that stuff crosses the line into censorship, it’s just scary, not just on a creative level but on a personal level”.

He apologized to viewers upset with the episode because they have been personally involved in one of the school shootings and suffer for it every day of their lives. But, he noted, ”that is a very small percentage of us.” “I’m a storyteller. … I haves a god given gift that I can share with you and perhaps entertain you and bring you along for the ride. … So when anybody tries to take that away from me, or impede that, I get defensive.” He insisted the episode was necessary because the show’s hero, “or anti-hero, is a father of young boys of that age, who’s trying to protect them from the dangerous component of his outlaw life, and he deals guns. To suggest that piece of his life could not impede and bleed into the other areas of his life and that he’d be able to keep them separate — to me that’s irresponsible,” Sutter wrote. “These guys turning these guns out on the street, selling them to people, unaware of who’s using them and what they’re being used for — to suggest that those guns could not fall into the hands of people that were going to hurt other people, including children … that’s ignorant … that’s almost more irresponsible.”

He said he hoped the episode has “ripped the ****ing scab off” in this country, forcing people to “have the conversation again” that they always have in the immediate aftermath of one of these school shootings but then don’t follow through on, as the “balm” of time settles over them and they get comfortable and unafraid again. “It’s the Groundhog Day experience,” he said. “For me, the PTC — they’re just ****ing ridiculous.

“So again, a big thank you for the people who are tuning in, and until somebody kicks in my door and tackles me to the ground and cuts off my ****ing hands, I’m going to keep doing what I do. So **** them. And thank you.”

PREVIOUS: This week’s super-awesome — or super-horrifying, depending on your TV critic of choice — series-ratings-record-breaking season debut of FX’s Sons Of Anarchy demonstrated once again that you can’t beat drugs, prostitution, slaughter of children, crooked cops, rock music, and death by urine, when looking to gin up a crowd for an aging biker drama. It’s also a really effective way to drum up support for a-la-carte cable.

“The Parents Television Council is calling on its members to contact Congress to express the urgent need for a consumer cable choice solution in response to the violent and sexually graphic premiere of FX’s Sons Of Anarchy, which featured a young boy committing a school shooting, simulated rape scenes, torture of women, and a man who was drowned in a bathtub of urine,” PTC complained this morning.
“Think about the parents who have been personally affected by real-life school shootings – even they were forced to contribute to FX on their cable bills. This is an outrage, and the time for consumers to have real choice has come,”PTC president Tim Winter said in his organization’s expression of outrage.

He dismissed that old “change the channel” gag as “a lazy excuse from the cable industry’s own talking points that does not address the real problem.” Finally, PTC got to the main event: a plug for the a-la-carte-pushing Television Consumer Freedom Act: “It’s time for consumers to have a real voice in what they want to pay for on their cable bills.”

And those faux school-shooting victims will not have died in vain.

I think they are ridiculous too, but people like me who desperately want a la carte television so we don't have to pay for 300 channels of family crap and non-learning channels and non-history channels and horrible broadcast networks everything else not on FX or AMC or BBC or HBO or Showtime, would gladly join forces with any idiot to help make that happen. I think they will be disappointed by their bills when it actually happens though, and I will be super happy.

So.....is Tara really preggo? What sort of plan is Wendi up to? Is Tig dead? My guess is no since they didn't show it.

Don't know if I like the Marshall character. I liked him at first, but don't like the druggie, **** up aspect. Peter Wellers quips about Persians crack me up........

I think I truly hate what they have done to Jaxs character. Despicable. he's become what he was trying to avoid in the early seasons. No one to root for anymore, except for Nero.

Thanks for bumping this - I meant to last night

I don't know if its just the GTA i've been playing but I REALLY liked last nights episode.

And I'm LOVING Peter Weller's character.

I don't want tara to divorce jax - is the baby not his?? Whats going on there.

And Windi will be dead if she keeps this act up

Ok, so i've been checking this out pretty heavy lately, a work pal has been loaning me his seasons on dvd and i'm gonna start season three tonight... he says its loosely based on the origins and growth of the Hells Angels.

But the first thing that crosses my mind when i think about him saying that, is that based on every single thing i've ever read, the HA were never even CLOSE to being as organized and slick as this crew, with the cops, judges and local pillars in their pockets, the cops openly commiserating with them in public etc... this show makes them out to be like the mafia, it doesnt jibe at all with what i know of the Angels.

Having said that, i'm digging the show big time, very entertaining... Katie Sagal, wow, who knew there was so much more to her than Peg Bundy, that lady is one HELL of an actress, she's the most impressive actor by far, followed by Perlman.

And damn, she looks just as good and maybe even better than she did 15-20 years ago, THAT lady has really aged well.

So yeah, in spite of some of the credulity straining storylines, i'm loving this show, cant wait to start season three tonight and see what happens with the kidnapped Heir to the Throne.

I'll just break it to you now. IMO season 2 was the high point. I like the other seasons, but that one was the best.

Thanks for the tip, sounds a lot like my take on the Sopranos more or less... the early seasons seem to be the most fresh and groundbreaking.

I guess I've lost interest. I still haven't watched the first 3 eps of the season and I'm contemplating taking it off my DVR entirely. There's just too many shows to choose from.

I truly can appreciate what Breaking Bad has done. IMO, almost any serialized show going past a season 5 is mostly diminishing returns.

After season 2, I lost interest. The Ireland storyline just didnt grab me.

Starting to think you're right, i'm so far pretty disappointed in season three, just two episodes in... Hale gets killed and its completely forgotten, not even talked about, even his bigshot brother is already wheeling and dealing with nary a mention of his brothers recent death.

This is already staring to shape up as a boring, completely unbelievable soap opera, there arent as many gravity filled scenes and they dont make make as much sense as the first two seasons.

Its already starting to get... soft.

Season 3 Pays off in the end - I never understood the hate for it, it was different for sure but I enjoyed it.

SOA has not Majorly disappointed me yet..
with dexter the decline is obvious after season 4

I hope you're right, i hate feeling like i'm wasting time with tv.

Honestly, its already starting to feel soap opera-ish... so many hard to believe things going on at once, its like i'm caught in a mans version of Days of Our Lives.

Ok yes, the back half of season 3 pays off. That was a great ending....but the 1st half in Ireland kinda dragged. Sutter was trying something different at least.

Whassup with all the 90 minute episodes this season?
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Glad to see otto go.

"I didn't see that coming."

I too haven't watched it this season. I think for me I really lost the love for the show when they killed off Opie.

Shrugs. Im still recording it. Ill prolly watch it at some point.

I thought this weeks was one of the better episodes in awhile

Ok, i made it through season three and the whole Ireland thing, which didnt bother me at all since the HA have atleast one big chapter over there... and of course it digs more and more into the club/JT's past.

I still laugh a bit at how slick they are, nothing at all like most of what i've heard or read... for the most part these guys were the barabarian hordes of Roman times, far more worried about plunder and pussy than planning for the future/empire building.

But i'm enjoying season four even more than three, things just continue to ratchet up, i'm ready to see Clay get thrown out, tired of his greed and violence... Jax will make a far better leader... from what i've heard though, its too bad about Ope/Bertier, looking forward to seeing what goes down there.

TV series have reeeally gotten better on the main, for the most part its either reality tv BS or well made fare like this.

Ok, now i'm reeeally wanting to get rid of Clay, the last episode i watched ended with him making the call to have Tara killed... hope they dont let that dirtball pull it off.

I'm liking this season a lot...

Yea, season 4 was decent
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Yeah, i'm enjoying it more than three for sure... more intensity, higher stakes, you can start to see things building to a climax.

The one story line thats pissing me off is Juice... why wouldnt he just go to the club and admit that he's half black instead of getting roped into this crap?

They wouldnt have thrown him out for that.

The problem with SOA is that its the same shit over & over. Maybe 3 or 4 shocking twists at most.

Pretty much.....its still a fun show, but yes repetitive. next year will be its last. realistically about 2 seasons too long.
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The ending of SOA season 3 was one of the best finales I've ever seen, along with Dexter's Season 4? (lithgow) finale.

This latest season of SOA is pretty good so far. Otto just pulled a hero move.

It's ****ing Macbeth. Kill the old bastard yesterday.

It's actually Hamlet, not Macbeth.

Burn

Wached Ope go down after work today, a sad day indeed.

Pope will get his i'm sure...

Wow shit just got real intense. I don't see how anybody can complain about this being the same old after this episode.

Yeah, a great episode - Can't wait for next week

Another good episode

It was nice to see "Shane" reprise his role - and CCH Pounder is really great as the D.A.

I agree, this season is not a letdown.
Still a great show.

Cheryl Hines is doing great playing that transsexual man.

Probably one of my favorite episodes. It was amazing and emotional as ****

I really hope Jax kills that ****.

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My favorite sound in the whole entire world is the sound of Tara crying.

hahahaha
yeah she just makes me kinda sick. always always always a downer.

and a total WTF on her getting mad at the hooker. REALLY! you stupid bitch! you've lied to your husband about a dead baby and you're getting ready to divorce his ass and take his kids.....and oh....by the way.....you don't want him ****ing anyone else?

Pegged her a psycho when she killed her stalker....

Getting caught up now, watching last night's epi. Damn. Some shit is going down.

She is off the deep end.....

This has been another great season so far

Tara dont know what the **** to do right now. She's completely ****ing lost. Everything she had planned out completely backfired.

Happy eating chinese food while watching cartoons handcuffed made me laugh out loud.

Good season so far, really enjoying it.

Okay. I dipped in and saw some episode where Tara made it seem like Jenna gave her a miscarriage. Did that shit backfire on her? Enquiring minds, gotta know, bro!

I'm almost done with season 3.

This is one of my favorite shows ever.

Tara's gonna kill herself. Either that or she kills Juice while he's watching her and she storms out of Charming w/ the kids etc.

She's completely gone/lost. Not one person is on her side.

Even making her deal please is ****ed unless jax' s play fails. She's in that dark place where people sometimes don't get out of.

I think she puts a bullet in her head.

No way this happens.

Gemma's threats against Tara are incredibly stupid. "Oh, Jax will kill you, jax will take your kids away, etc." Silly, stupid, and unbelievable.

Question... I've had a hunch that the Pope Jax killed isn't the real Pope but a stand-in... would i be correct in assuming that?

Why would you think that?

Just a hunch, seemed like a plausible plot twist that keeps the drama ramped up.

Yes but completely plausible female behavior.