did you expect alex smith to win a playoff game last year?

its the 'not really' that I am speaking to here. If the answer is 'not really' then thats not a real expectation in my mind. When you expect something and it doesnt happen...then that is a failure.

so if 'not really' is the answer then thats 'not really' a valid expectation

Depends at what time during the year you asked me.

At halftime of the playoff game, yeah I did.

I preface the not really with the fact that so many things are out of his control.

If they are plagued with injuries for instance.

But I don’t necessarily think it’s problematic to say it’s a failure if he doesn’t hit certain benchmarks or whatever

The expectations should be high. Some of that is on the chiefs coaching staff and front office for how they’ve talked him up.

But he’s also in a situation I don’t think many qbs have been in early in their career

Andy makes every QB he coaches look good. Pat is the most gifted passer of the bunch, and it’s not close.

I agree. Im not saying there arent benchmarks and expectations. But in the NFL if you dont meet your expectations, you lose your job. 4000 yards is most definitely not on a list of his expectations for this season. Period.

Your expectations I guess.

Too many moving parts to be pass fail with expectations though.

Well you already said that you wouldnt consider it a failure if he doesnt meet your expectations....why bother having expectations if not meeting them is not failure?

In most people's minds and certainly in the NFL , not meeting an expectations is the same thing as failure.

I dont get why you would set an expectations and not say its a failure when it goes unmet , i dont see the point in that....in any aspect of life.

And I agree theres too many moving parts to pick some arbitrary number thats aS high as 4k and have that be an 'expectation' thats one of the main reasons i think its a dumb "expectation".

Favres TD% was 5 and INT% was 3.3
Rodgers TD% is 6.4 and INT% is 1.6


That's not even something you can spin by talking about era differences.
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Yeah Rodgers is insane. He has the highest passer rating in league history, which is 7 points higher than the 2nd QB on the list (Manning).

He has something like 4 TD’s to 1 INT ratio in his career. That’s incredible.

I'll bring this up again: Derek Carr has never cracked 4000 yards.

It's not about the QB or the difficulty facing a young QB. It's entirely about the supporting cast, the coach, the playcalling, and the moxy of the guy.

Yeah, don't call it an expectation, but it's a pretty strong prediction. I'm giving high odds to it occurring if injuries don't get in the way (knock on wood).

its so crazy how things have gotten with the passing game...Joe Montana used to be the absolute pinnacle of TD : INT

then brady has destroyed that and other QB's like rodgers are blowing it out too....

i think that softer safety and CB rules have helped though, I dont think this 100% just better QB play...its rules changes too

1) Destruction of predecessors "best season as a Chief" statistics.

2) Wild card victory.

Completely realistic.

Utterly attainable.

And coming to a television near you.

If it’s his issues or his fault not meeting expectations, it’s a failure. The not really was due to the fact that it could be reasons outside of his power that cause it to happen or not.

I don’t think 4K is too high, there were 14 guys that did it in 16 and this chiefs situation I think sets up where he throws for a lot of yards and it could end up being a meh season win wise.

But we’ll see

Thats all I am really saying. I mean I just kind of cringe at the idea of setting the 'expectation' so high when not meeting an expectation is the very definition of failure.

I predict good things for Mahomes too...but to me it really isnt about htis season since by most people's expectations this is pretty much a building year and I refuse to get upset if we have a setback in terms of record or yards or whatever....

Just getting pat mahomes has raised my expectations for the future massively!

edit: i dont usually like arguing about defintions of words ..but oh well