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Prison Bitch 11-15-2016 02:21 PM

What do we make of Cuthbert's bat? He was quite young, 23, and not many rookies at 23 get 500+ PA. In fact, only 65 have since the 1969 divisional setup. Of those (wRC+):


40. Cuthbert 94
49. Febles 87
50. Gordon 87
61. Alshittys 62



The other 3 had really good defense/speed metrics tho which made them more valuable. While most of the 65 players on this list ended up being regulars for quite some time, most below Cuthbert didn't end up becoming good hitters. In fact they were mostly awful, but many (Ozzie Smith, Wilie Tavares, Billy Hamilton etc) had other skills that not only brought them up - but kept them up. Cuthbert doesn't.


The top 6? Fred Lynn, McGwire, Dusty Baker, Alvin Davis, Bagwell, Kris Bryant, so the point here seems pretty obv

Chiefspants 11-15-2016 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12556920)
What do we make of Cuthbert's bat? He was quite young, 23, and not many rookies at 23 get 500+ PA. In fact, only 65 have since the 1969 divisional setup. Of those (wRC+):


40. Cuthbert 94
49. Febles 87
50. Gordon 87
61. Alshittys 62



The other 3 had really good defense/speed metrics tho which made them more valuable. While most of the 65 players on this list ended up being regulars for quite some time, most below Cuthbert didn't end up becoming good hitters. In fact they were mostly awful, but many (Ozzie Smith, Wilie Tavares, Billy Hamilton etc) had other skills that not only brought them up - but kept them up. Cuthbert doesn't.

Meh, he was pretty great at the beginning but hit a wall over his last two months. It happens for rooks. We'll see how he holds up this year.

lewdog 11-15-2016 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Royal Fanatic (Post 12555867)
It's a pretty big leap to call a guy a "clubhouse cancer" just because you don't like the team that offered him $33 million to go play for.

I'm a big fan of Kendrys Morales, but at his age and with the makeup of the Royals team next year, I think it makes perfect sense to let him go. The Royals will have a logjam at third base next year with Moose, Cuthbert and possibly Hunter Dozier, so letting one or two of those guys log some games at DH doesn't sound like a bad idea. I also like the idea of Salvy getting some rest by DH'ing once or twice a week.

I hope Kendrys Morales does well as an individual player for the Blue Jays, just as I hope those ****ers lose 120 games next year.

Sarcasm meter you guys.


It's all about **** the Blue Jays and all things Canadian.

Jerm 11-15-2016 09:39 PM

Reading a Cards forum and they think they can get Cain for Garcia/Adams......lol :facepalm:

ChiefsCountry 11-15-2016 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 12557718)
Reading a Cards forum and they think they can get Cain for Garcia/Adams......lol :facepalm:

Reyes/Weaver, Wong, and something else would be a start.

duncan_idaho 11-15-2016 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 12557718)
Reading a Cards forum and they think they can get Cain for Garcia/Adams......lol :facepalm:


Garcia is a piece that makes sense for Cain, but he would have to be a secondary piece.

Matt Adams? No ****ing thank you. Mozeliak ****ed up by not moving Adams when his value was artificially high a few years back. KC isn't going to bail him out.


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Jerm 11-15-2016 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 12557756)
Garcia is a piece that makes sense for Cain, but he would have to be a secondary piece.

Matt Adams? No ****ing thank you. Mozeliak ****ed up by not moving Adams when his value was artificially high a few years back. KC isn't going to bail him out.


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Exactly....would you do Garcia and Wong?

cosmo20002 11-15-2016 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by seaofred (Post 12556677)
I think the plan might be to have Cutberth and Moose rotate at DH next year.

So what that would really mean is that Cuthbert is the main DH.
Or that it would really be a DH rotation among Moose, Cuthbert, Salvy, probably Cain, and a prospect like Dozier.

duncan_idaho 11-15-2016 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 12557786)
Exactly....would you do Garcia and Wong?


No. I have never been that high on Wong and still am not.

Neither one of those guys is enough of a return for Cain as the primary piece, and they're not enough combined, either.




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duncan_idaho 11-15-2016 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 12557718)
Reading a Cards forum and they think they can get Cain for Garcia/Adams......lol :facepalm:


Can you link that?


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Chiefspants 11-15-2016 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 12557718)
Reading a Cards forum and they think they can get Cain for Garcia/Adams......lol :facepalm:

Gonna need DJ to chime in on this one.

Discuss Thrower 11-15-2016 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 12557816)
So what that would really mean is that Cuthbert is the main DH.
Or that it would really be a DH rotation among Moose, Cuthbert, Salvy, probably Cain, and a prospect like Dozier.

Then you're pretty much committed to only having 8 decent batters... and that's counting Alcides as a decent battery.


The fact nobody uses a 3+ DH platoon means that's its a terrible idea.

duncan_idaho 11-15-2016 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 12557816)
So what that would really mean is that Cuthbert is the main DH.

Or that it would really be a DH rotation among Moose, Cuthbert, Salvy, probably Cain, and a prospect like Dozier.


I think it would mean Cuthbert is the DH 100-110 games, with him getting 30-35 starts at 3B to rest Moustakas, Moustakas getting 20-25 games at DH, and the rest of the DH days being used to give Gordon and Cain a 1/2 day off each week.

That rotating DH plan works a little better if you have a super util guy who's a credible bat. Steve Pearce is not likely to break the bank but could make sense there. Could get 140 games parceled out amongst 1b, 2B, 3b, LF and rf


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Jerm 11-16-2016 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 12557853)
Can you link that?


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http://interact.stltoday.com/forums/...f=11&t=1197956

It's discussed throughout this thread....


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