First I'd heard mention of anything like this. Thoughts?

Saw that; can't imagine there's any validity to it.

I don't know that I'd even be happy about that deal, even though we are desperate for a SS.

Not that desperate.

Best prospect since Pujols and we trade him? You don't trade someone who has the HOF as a potential ceiling for a year and a half of another player.

Shelby's the #5 and Cedeno got red tagged.

Kozma...we ride together; we die together.

Surely kozma can hit better than the .200 that Cedeno would have hit.

Why would you only get a year and a half from Profar?

He's every bit the prospect O-Tav is and you would have him for 6 years. In a system flush with corner OF bats, why not try to allocate an OFer for a SS?

Finally someone bumped this thread, been looking everywhere for it.

Kozma had a slash line of .232/292/.355 in AAA last year.

You hope that he can give you league average defense and hit about 12 homers. A .700 OPS would be a ****ing miracle.

Conflated Profrar with Andrus.

It's an interesting trade offer in that it really does work extremely well for both sides.

But man oh man, you'd better trust the hell out of your scouts.

Profar's ceiling on offense is probably not as high as O-Tavs, but it's close. I actually like his approach more than I like Tavaraez's. But Tavarez has the body and bat whip to be a big time middle of the order hitter with outstanding contact skills.

As a run producer, I don't care about your BB rate if you're still commanding the strike zone. Tavarez seems to do that nicely. But ultimately, he's still just a corner OFer. If you can get a 25/25 SS with a plus glove, that's as valuable as a 40 HR OFer. Or at least damn close. And in a system with a lot of guys that can hit but very few that can play SS, it's a trade you have to consider.

I'd rather trade Holliday for Andrus, but I don't see that happening.

Taveras is a safer bet, but he gives you less surplus value. I'd roll w/ Oscar.

Try and move Adams and an arm for Hardy at the deadline when the Orioles are 12 back.

I'd rather have Adams and Profar than O-Tav and Hardy.

Adams is going to be a .280 hitter w/ 30 HR power in short order. I wouldn't trade him straight up for Hardy and I damn sure wouldn't include an arm.

All that kid has done at every level he's ever been at is mash the ball.

Where is he going to play? Craig just got extended, Taveras is going to right in all likelihood. Unless you want to use Taveras as the 70% RFer, 20% CFer, 10% LF, with Craig spelling occasional time at a COF spot and Adams filling in there.

Well in my scenario, Taveras has gone to Texas so Craig goes straight into RF in the long term. Short term, with 648 games to play between LF/CF/RF and 1b, You could use slide Craig to 1b when needed and Beltran to CF when needed and get 130 games out of each of them if you so chose. Giving each of those guys a day off/wk isn't a bad idea at all. Craig, Jay and Holliday all have a tendency to get banged up and Beltran completely ran out of gas.

And in the process, you could give Adams a chance to establish legitimate trade value. I'm not a fan of trading him for 1.5 years of Hardy. If he shows that he can be a hitter at this level, he's probably a 2-3 WAR player pretty easily; that's a $12 million asset on the open market; it's worth more than JJ Hardy.

I have no interest in trading low on Matt Adams when we have places for him to play.